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  •  05-01-2005, 4:26 AM 46023

    Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners (Pinned)

    Edit 01/23/07

    There is now a program that does this.  Please see Ramon's page to download it.

    (Yes I know its down right now)

    edited 04/20/2006

    11 Months ago I found the registry hack to add more than 2 tuners to Media Center.  At the time Microsoft refused to admit that it was even possible.  They still haven't admited that multiple sources are possible, but Peter Rosser of the MCE development team posted these methods on how to add N tuners.  Poeple have complained about thier accuracy so I am moving them to the bottom.  If you have problems with my instructions you can read his. 

    Peter if you happen to read this post; this isn't just the version posted on TGB, it was the first post, and I was the first person to find a way to do this.  Previously the answer was it can not be done.  Instead of doing what you should be doing as an MCE developer, and adding this functionality into MCE, or even TweakMCE, you just copied my instructions, then broke them down and rewrote them using your inside knowledge of MCE.

    I will rant more about this later, for now here are the instructions.  The first is the original I wrote.  The second 2 ways are written by Peter.

    NOTE: The following keys are used in the HOWTO.  They are variables used by MCE and will be different for every machine, and are only shown here as an example.
    {A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
    {04CBCD6F-0EFE-4E52-9209-43B6AC9D4217}
    {54B4E960-C8E5-42A2-AC64-98A586B7BEA2}
    {BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD}
     See the screen shot below for a better look.     

    Close MCE
    Start regedit
    Open [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Media Center]
    Export the Media Center Key and all Subkeys, save it as Backup.reg (This will help you with restoring the settings you started with if something doesnt work.

    Open [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Media Center\Service\Video\Tuners]
    Within that key is another key named DVR and another named something like {A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
    It will look like this

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
          -{04CBCD6F-0EFE-4E52-9209-43B6AC9D4217}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings
          -{54B4E960-C8E5-42A2-AC64-98A586B7BEA2}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings
       +DVR

    Export {04CBCD6F-0EFE-4E52-9209-43B6AC9D4217}   it wont be named that but its the top one, save it to the desktop named top.reg
    Export {54B4E960-C8E5-42A2-AC64-98A586B7BEA2}   it wont be named that but its the bottom one, save it to the desktop named bottom.reg

    Delete both of those keys and it will look like this.

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
       +DVR

    Close Regedit and Open the device manager
    Open sound, video and game controllers, Disable Your TV cards

    Shut down, and install your new capture card, then restart.  If your card is already installed Reboot anyway.

    Start MCE, and go to settings > TV > Setup TV Signal
    Run through the setup process for your tuner, and guide.
    Make sure it works and is not stuttering.

    Close MCE

    Open Regedit, and you should see this.

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
          -{BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings    
       +DVR

    Expand the keys make sure the keys are filled out.

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
          -{BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD}
            +TuneRequest
              Components
              Tuning Space
            +UserSettings    
              Components
              Tuning Space
       +DVR

    Export the key {BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD} save it as new card.
    Restart Your computer now.

    Open Device Manager
    Open sound, video and game controllers, Enable Your TV cards

    Import the Registry Entries you exported
    Double click on both top.reg and bottom.reg and say yes to import them.
    Reboot

    Open Regedit, make sure your on these keys

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
          -{04CBCD6F-0EFE-4E52-9209-43B6AC9D4217}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings
          -{54B4E960-C8E5-42A2-AC64-98A586B7BEA2}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings
          -{BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings 
       +DVR

    All off the keys should look alike.  The settings within will be slightly different.
    Close Regedit

    RESTART one last time.

    Start MCE
    Start recording
    Change the channel
    Start recording
    Change the channel
    If that worked you now have 3 working tuners

    Do it again to add more.

    Thanks to Jon and his Post on multiple sources which got me looking into these registry keys.

    N Tuners in MCE, Method 1 (only registry editing): Peters

    1. Stop the Media Center Receiver Service (net stop ehrecvr)
    2. Open Registry Editor (regedit.exe) and open this key:
      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Media Center\Service\Video\Tuners\{GUID}
      where {GUID} is either {71985F48-1CA1-11D3-9CC8-00C04F7971E0} for Digital (ATSC or DVB-T) or {A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4} for Analog (NTSC or PAL).
    3. Under the {GUID} key, there will be one key per tuner device.
    4. Select the first tuner's key.
    5. Select the UserSettings key.
    6. Set these DWORD values as follows (case sensitive, all values in hexadecimal), creating them if they do not exist:
      EnabledForMCE = 0xffffffff
      UseSTB = 0
    7. Create a REG_SZ value named UserDefName and set its value to "Tuner X", where X is the tuner number (1 for the first tuner, 2 for the 2nd, etc.)
    8. If this is the FIRST tuner:
      RecordOrder = 0
      RecordPrefered = 0xffffffff
      WatchOrder = number of tuners - 1, e.g. for 4 tuners set this to 3
      WatchPrefered = 0

      If this is the LAST tuner:
      RecordOrder = number of tuners - 1, e.g. for 4 tuners set this to 3
      RecordPrefered = 0
      WatchOrder = 0
      WatchPrefered = 0xffffffff

      If this is a tuner somewhere in the middle:
      RecordOrder = whatever you put for the last tuner + 1
      RecordPrefered = 0
      WatchOrder = whatever you put for the last tuner - 1
      WatchPrefered = 0

      The idea here is that you increment the RecordOrder by 1 for each tuner, and decrement the WatchOrder by 1.  RecordOrder starts at 0 on the first tuner and goes up to #Tuners - 1; WatchOrder starts at #Tuners - 1 and ends at 0 on the last tuner.  RecordPrefered is true (0xffffffff) on the first tuner, false (0x00000000) everywhere else; WatchPrefered is true on the last tuner, false everywhere else.
    9. Repeat steps 7 - 10 for each tuner, adjusting the values of RecordOrder, RecordPrefered, WatchOrder and WatchPrefered as appropriate.
    10. Close Registry Editor.
    11. Start Media Center. Voila!

    Yes, "Prefered" is misspelled.  We caught that after we shipped, and it's a little late to change now...

    N Tuners in MCE Method 2 (a little registry stuff, no manual editing though): Peters

    1. Start the Media Center shell (Green Button)
    2. Go to Settings-->TV-->Set Up TV Signal
    3. Choose the 2 tuners from the list of tuners that you will configure this time (first time through, just the first 2)
    4. Close the Media Center shell.
    5. Stop the Media Center Receiver service (net stop ehrecvr or stop the service from Control Panel-->Administrative Tools-->Services)
    6. Open Registry Editor (regedit.exe) and open this key:
      HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Media Center\Service\Video\Tuners\{GUID}
      where {GUID} is either {71985F48-1CA1-11D3-9CC8-00C04F7971E0} for Digital (ATSC or DVB-T) or {A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4} for Analog (NTSC or PAL).
    7. Under the {GUID} key, there will be one key per tuner device.
    8. Find the 2 keys that were just configured by Media Center.  You can tell which ones they are by looking for the "EnabledForMCE" value under the UserSettings key.  If it is set to 0xffffffff, it was configured--otherwise it will be 0x00000000 (0).
    9. Export the 2 keys to .reg files on your hard disk. (right-click on the {GUID} key and choose Export [selected branch only]).  Make a note of where you save those files... you're going to need them!  Name each one differently (e.g. Tuner1.reg, Tuner2.reg).
    10. Repeat steps 1 - 8 for each set of 2 tuners (if you have 3, then just then 3rd, etc.), selecting different tuners each time.
    11. Repeat steps 4 and 5.
    12. Double-click on each of the .reg files you created in step 9 to import them into the registry.
    13. Close Registry Editor.
    14. Start Media Center. Voila!


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  •  05-01-2005, 7:23 AM 46041 in reply to 46023

    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners

    Very nice!

    Has anybody tried with with Hauppauge cards?


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  •  05-01-2005, 8:56 AM 46059 in reply to 46023

    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners

    Hi,

    I would be interested to here if anyone has tried this with Blackgold cards as well? I currently run two individual cards and am contemplating buying a third now.

    Cheers


    Steve

    My Media Center Setup

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  •  05-01-2005, 12:25 PM 46096 in reply to 46023

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    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners

    i'll try this a little later today, with my 2 hauppauge's, and then a Conexant 23880 card, forget the exact name, i got it from ComputerGeeks from an HP pull.

    i'll post back my results, HOPE IT WORKS!!!
    Mike Garcen
    TGB Moderator | MissingRemote Editor/Reviewer| Microsoft MVP - Media Center
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  •  05-02-2005, 1:04 PM 46300 in reply to 46023

    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners

     

    First off I realized something after playing around for a while.  1 of my 3 tuners is a STB, the duel card is using basic cable.  I checked out all the registry keys and noticed a few things under usersettings, mainly that the basic cable registry keys had letters assosciated with them A and B.  I am going to try using 3 basic cable connections when i get home, just to see what the registry keys look like. shadymg your problem may be that 2 of the tuners have the same letter identifying them.  It might work to change it to C, I will know more after I set it up as all basic cable.

    Another thing that happened was my third tuner is acting like my second, it makes controlling the tuners a pain.

    I was expecting something like this. Also

    Card1
       Tuner1
       Tuner2
    Card2
       Tuner3

    But got this enstead

    Card1
       Tuner1
       Tuner3
    Card2
       Tuner2

    Also watching live TV off the STB seems to be glitchy.  If I watch it time shifted it works great, or if I watch the recording.  The 2 basic cable tuners work fine in live tv.  I will let you guys know how tonight experiments work, then update the first post to match the results.

    Edit: for some reason this post is appearing before the last post.



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  •  05-02-2005, 1:24 PM 46304 in reply to 46023

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    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners

    Most likely a dual tuner board has 1 driver. using 3 boards breaks the 2 driver need for this to work. my guess is dual dual tuners might result in 4 tuners
    Bryan Socha
    Media Center MVP
  •  05-02-2005, 4:44 PM 46346 in reply to 46023

    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners

    In my device manager it shows up as 2 devices.  But you could be right.  I really want to see another person get this to work, so Ill be playing around again when I get home.

     



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  •  05-02-2005, 7:29 PM 46369 in reply to 46023

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    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners

    HOLY CRAP!!! I GOT IT!!!! AHHHHHHH, i'm so excited right now!!!

    Ok, since im going out of town for 3 weeks, guess i should take the time now to explain how i did it!!

    So the place is correct, and i decided to try to mess around with it some more, AND HERE"S WHAT I FOUND!!! (im sorry if im so excited, but you don't know HOW BADLY i've wanted this, so many thanks to SCUFFS!!!

    ok, so under that place, i saw my 3 tuners, and what i discovered, was that under 2 of them, there's were a lot more folders under "USER SETTINGS" than on the 3rd one, and there were different numbers. SO, i compared the numbers for the 2 where there was a lot of stuff, and figured, "Hey, give it a shot!" SO, i Exported one of MCE tuners registry (under UserSettings), and then i exported the one that didn't have all that fun stuff, then i just went through and copied the extra stuff over, and replaced the User Settings numbers, rebooted, and VOILA!!!!

    I CAN NOW RECORD 3 SHOWS AT ONCE!!! WAHOOO!!! Don't kill me, but i'm about to try with a 4th one!!!! :-D
    Mike Garcen
    TGB Moderator | MissingRemote Editor/Reviewer| Microsoft MVP - Media Center
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  •  05-02-2005, 8:28 PM 46375 in reply to 46023

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    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners

    What's that? You don't believe us??? Enjoy the screenshot :-)

    LET THE DROOLING BEGIN!!!
    Mike Garcen
    TGB Moderator | MissingRemote Editor/Reviewer| Microsoft MVP - Media Center
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  •  05-02-2005, 9:08 PM 46380 in reply to 46023

    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners

    Temp Pin
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  •  05-02-2005, 10:38 PM 46392 in reply to 46023

    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners (Pinned)

    WOOT I GOT PINNED

    Grats on 4 shady, and thanks for the Sticky Chris.

    I will rewrite this tommorow since the problem you had was probably a problem with me explaining this.



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  •  05-02-2005, 10:53 PM 46395 in reply to 46023

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    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners (Pinned)

    thanks all go to you Scuffs. I've been begging for this since i learned about beyondTV & Sage's capabilities, and now thanks to you not only can i never think about switching, BUT now we can show that MCE is More than capable! :-)
    Mike Garcen
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  •  05-02-2005, 11:07 PM 46397 in reply to 46023

    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners (Pinned)

    Now if we could only figure out a way to stream Live TV to other PCs, record FM radio, Play videos from play lists, record QAM, ummmm Ill think of others.  But the Stream Live TV thats the one I really want.



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  •  05-03-2005, 12:14 AM 46404 in reply to 46023

    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners (Pinned)

    Im going to use this post to work on the write up.  Let me know what you guys think.


    This write up explains how to force Windows XP Media Center Edition to see more than the default 2 tuners.  I am using NVTV tuners, one is a duel tuner card the other is a single tuner card.  This has also been done with a Conexant 23880 card, Hauppauge WinTV PVR250, and a Hauppauge WinTV PVR250-MCE.  You can record 4 things as of this writing, but I see no reason it can't be more.

    NOTE: The following keys are used in the HOWTO.  They are variables used by MCE and will be different for every machine, and are only shown here as an example.
    {A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
    {04CBCD6F-0EFE-4E52-9209-43B6AC9D4217}
    {54B4E960-C8E5-42A2-AC64-98A586B7BEA2}
    {BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD}
     See the screen shot below for a better look.     

    Close MCE
    Start regedit
    Open [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Media Center]
    Export the Media Center Key and all Subkeys, save it as Backup.reg (This will help you with restoring the settings you started with if something doesnt work.

    Open [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Media Center\Service\Video\Tuners]
    Within that key is another key named DVR and another named something like {A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
    It will look like this

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
          -{04CBCD6F-0EFE-4E52-9209-43B6AC9D4217}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings
          -{54B4E960-C8E5-42A2-AC64-98A586B7BEA2}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings
       +DVR

    Export {04CBCD6F-0EFE-4E52-9209-43B6AC9D4217}   it wont be named that but its the top one, save it to the desktop named top.reg
    Export {54B4E960-C8E5-42A2-AC64-98A586B7BEA2}   it wont be named that but its the bottom one, save it to the desktop named bottom.reg

    Delete both of those keys and it will look like this.

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
       +DVR

    Close Regedit and Open the device manager
    Open sound, video and game controllers, Disable Your TV cards

    Shut down, and install your new capture card, then restart.  If your card is already installed Reboot anyway.

    Start MCE, and go to settings > TV > Setup TV Signal
    Run through the setup process for your tuner, and guide.
    Make sure it works and is not stuttering.

    Close MCE

    Open Regedit, and you should see this.

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
          -{BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings    
       +DVR

    Expand the keys make sure the keys are filled out.

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
          -{BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD}
            +TuneRequest
              Components
              Tuning Space
            +UserSettings    
              Components
              Tuning Space
       +DVR

    Export the key {BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD} save it as new card.
    Restart Your computer now.

    Open Device Manager
    Open sound, video and game controllers, Enable Your TV cards

    Import the Registry Entries you exported
    Double click on both top.reg and bottom.reg and say yes to import them.
    Reboot

    Open Regedit, make sure your on these keys

    -Tuners
       -{A799A800-A46D-11D0-A18C-00A02401DCD4}
          -{04CBCD6F-0EFE-4E52-9209-43B6AC9D4217}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings
          -{54B4E960-C8E5-42A2-AC64-98A586B7BEA2}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings
          -{BAF147BF-2181-466D-96FE-48020D0861DD}
            +TuneRequest
            +UserSettings 
       +DVR

    All off the keys should look alike.  The settings within will be slightly different.
    Close Regedit

    RESTART one last time.

    Start MCE
    Start recording
    Change the channel
    Start recording
    Change the channel
    If that worked you now have 3 working tuners

    Do it again to add more.



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  •  05-03-2005, 12:16 AM 46405 in reply to 46023

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    RE: Howto: Setup 3 analog Tuners (Pinned)

    excellent writeup scuffs! And thanks again! MAN, i can't stop glowing about this!!!
    Mike Garcen
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