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Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

Last post 09-13-2008, 11:12 PM by cw-kid. 26 replies.
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  •  09-10-2007, 1:09 PM 207765

    • AndyC is not online. Last active: 11-30-2008, 9:00 AM AndyC
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    Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    Is this something that anyone would be interested in, or I guess more importantly does one exist already that I just haven't found?

    Cheers,
    Andrew

  •  09-10-2007, 5:27 PM 207811 in reply to 207765

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    Would love to see one.


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  •  09-10-2007, 7:56 PM 207823 in reply to 207811

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    Sounds difficult to do well, but it would be cool.  Good luck.


    Just my $0.02.
  •  09-25-2007, 8:15 AM 210300 in reply to 207823

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    While I don't own a Sonos system, I would personally love to see this come to Media Center.  Seems to me like the quickest and cheapest way to have DIY multi-room audio within Media Center.

    Chris Lanier
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  •  09-25-2007, 9:06 AM 210307 in reply to 210300

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    That would be good for controll but your media center still wouldn't play the music locally. If you have the media center in the room you can use it for music. The sonos is great for the rooms you don't have a media center. But then again the sonos can synch between multiple rooms. I can see that I might use it if it worked smoothly.


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  •  09-25-2007, 9:14 AM 210309 in reply to 210307

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    So the idea would be to use the zoneplayers with MCE and without any need for the fancy sonos remote control?  I think that's a cool idea and sounds like it would save money.  Great solution to multiple zones functionality in MCE.

    I'm tempted by the Sonos system, but th pricetag is just a little steep.  Though it does seem to work very very well.

    Aaron



  •  09-25-2007, 9:22 AM 210310 in reply to 210309

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    aaronp:
    So the idea would be to use the zoneplayers with MCE and without any need for the fancy sonos remote control?  I think that's a cool idea and sounds like it would save money.  Great solution to multiple zones functionality in MCE.

    I'm tempted by the Sonos system, but th pricetag is just a little steep.  Though it does seem to work very very well.

    Aaron



    That's the way I personal read it, would love to know what Andy has in mind.

    What I see is that if this plug-in happened and worked, you would need a ZonePlayer is every room ($350-$500) and then instead of buying the Controller ($400/each) you could use your existing Media Centers (and I hope Extenders too, Andy?).

    Something like Sonos seems like it would benefit from a 10' UI, which I don't think exists at this point.

    Chris Lanier
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  •  09-25-2007, 12:00 PM 210331 in reply to 210310

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    While I definitely would love to see a 10' UI for the Sonos Desktop controller I would never consider it a replacement for the handheld controller... if you're looking for a bargain multi-room audio I understand that this would save you a few hundred bucks, but it still leaves you tied to the PC for control which is counter-intuitive to the Sonos product design.  I do understand that everyone's configuration and home is different so maybe this wouldn't be such a big deal for some folks... personally I can't see loving Sonos as much as I do without the handheld (walk between rooms, etc...).


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  •  09-25-2007, 4:53 PM 210411 in reply to 210331

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    dstrack:

    While I definitely would love to see a 10' UI for the Sonos Desktop controller I would never consider it a replacement for the handheld controller... if you're looking for a bargain multi-room audio I understand that this would save you a few hundred bucks, but it still leaves you tied to the PC for control which is counter-intuitive to the Sonos product design.  I do understand that everyone's configuration and home is different so maybe this wouldn't be such a big deal for some folks... personally I can't see loving Sonos as much as I do without the handheld (walk between rooms, etc...).



    This is true, the controller is very nice.  A friend of mine has this system and I'm surprised at how smoothly the whole thing operates.  The controller is pretty impressive.

    Aaron
  •  09-26-2007, 6:21 AM 210474 in reply to 210411

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    I'm having difficulty in seeing what is different from the Sonos system to having a media extender in each room. Is it just that the one "controller" can control all rooms?
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  •  09-26-2007, 6:27 AM 210476 in reply to 210474

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    It's about controlling multi-room audio... the controller allows you to control each and every zone from anywhere (within wireless range).  It also incorporates a variety of music source options from DRM'd music (Zune, Rhapsody, etc...) to Internet Radio Stations, Pandora and Sirius Satellite Radio... All of this control is done from the handheld remote (no need to turn on tv and fire up the extender to control music) and you can play the music thru multiple zones in sync or different music in different zones, etc...all without relying on a PC running.
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    HP MediaSmart WHS
    3 Xbox 360s
    Zune
    Sonos
  •  09-26-2007, 6:49 AM 210478 in reply to 210476

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    I would love to see something like this developed for VMC/MCE! Sonos is an incredible easy to use system which if incorporated into VMC/MCE would be extremely powerful. Here's the ideal setup:

    VMC/MCE Machine - acts as computer server for the entire Sonos system

    Software - Spoofs VMC/MCE machine into working like one of the Zone Controllers

    Remote - controls all zones including VMC/MCE machine

    Someone has already done much of the dirty/difficult work and built a web based controller for Sonos. Here's a link to more info http://www.purple.org/sonos/ . All that is needed would be a nice VMC/MCE interface to replace the web based interface.

    I would really like to see this written MCML so the interface is fluid with VMC.

    I don't know much about programming but would willing to help in any way possible. I've even thought about commissioning such a project.
  •  09-26-2007, 7:22 AM 210485 in reply to 210478

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    The controller is where is is at. Media center's biggest problem is the synching issue. you can controll all zones from one interface.
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  •  09-26-2007, 12:50 PM 210606 in reply to 210485

    • AndyC is not online. Last active: 11-30-2008, 9:00 AM AndyC
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    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    Wow! Sudden burst of responses!

    aaronp - the idea would be that this would supplement the zone controller rather than replace it - you could control the zones through the Media Center using an MCE style interface, but you'd probably want a controller somewhere in the house too.  

    pluckyhd - I thought about making it so you could remove the music library completely from Media Center, and have a ZP80 (for example) sitting next to your Media Center.  The Sonos music library would show instead of the MCE Music Library, so you would see seamless multi-zone audio (from an end-user perspective), just using ZonePlayers rather than using the MCE output for music.

    Chris - the technology works on extenders too, so yes both console and extenders would be able to access the MCE zone controller.   The other thing it would enable is wall panel control (assuming a fairly powerful embedded Vista system in the panel :-)

    MusceLondon - the key difference between Sonos and extenders is the syncing of music for party mode, but also the absence of a UI requirement for control.  During the few days of summer we had this year, we had an outdoor party where I just picked up the zoneplayer from our bedroom, and took it outside, along with a pair of bookshelf speakers.   You just can't do that kind of thing with an extender!

    MrTybalt - the MCML is the easy part... I've had a look at the Sonos controller from purple.org but ultimately I'm going to need to write my own interface (it's not hugely difficult, its just that the majority of stuff you need to do isn't documented), as ultimately it would be nice to be able to sell this type of thing to custom installers/integrators.   If you are still considering commissioning a project though, let me know!  

    Cheers,
    Andrew

     

     

  •  09-26-2007, 12:53 PM 210607 in reply to 210606

    Re: Thinking about developing a Sonos ZonePlayer controller for Vista MCE

    ANDY,

     

       Sounds like I might use it if you could implement it. Still no replacement for the controller in certain areas (outside, bathroom etc) but definately useable in the main rooms with extenders or media center. Keep me posted as this sounds promising. Not sure how you would do away with media center music and replace it with sonos but that would be huge.


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