Ok, I think I got it figured out. Last night I did another tuner setup in win7mc and it looks like it's all working now. I did a manual set up and it did see both tuners. It then goes into a channel scan, and found the usual 7 clear qam channels (even though I have 100 or so). Right after the channel scan is complete it does get confused. If I try to change the channel right after it goes into live tv for the first time it says that both devices are in use, and you cannot change the channel. I shut it down and started back up and that seemed to be the trick. I start at channel 2, on the analog tuner, and when I get to channel 8, it switches tuners to the clear qam tuner, automatically, and goes to 8.1, in HD. Very smooth transition. In fact, there's a little icon that shows down by the channel when it switches tuners to tell you it's switching. Only real gripe is that channel changing is fairly slow, even on the analog tuner. Most tv's, even older ones, change channels relatively quick on analog. On the M780 analog tuner its pretty slow.