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  •  05-05-2008, 1:51 AM 260714 in reply to 260602

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    I wanted to compare this new app with Sam's excellent video browser however can not for the life of me get it to work. I have the movie collectorz app and have made a valid XML into the correct Public folder however everytime I try to run the app from WMC it fails to run. There seems to be no debug, logs or events as to why it won't work.

    Do I need to have an Xbox extender for it to work? Is there any help, advice or a newer compiled MSI I could try?

    Thanks in advance.

     

  •  05-05-2008, 5:59 AM 260733 in reply to 260714

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    OxfordRob:

    I wanted to compare this new app with Sam's excellent video browser however can not for the life of me get it to work. I have the movie collectorz app and have made a valid XML into the correct Public folder however everytime I try to run the app from WMC it fails to run. There seems to be no debug, logs or events as to why it won't work.

    Do I need to have an Xbox extender for it to work? Is there any help, advice or a newer compiled MSI I could try?

    Thanks in advance.

    It too early to compare anything yet as OML isn't in a release ready state or even alpha state yet. For instruction on how to compile the source etc. please use the OML forum at http://www.ornskov.dk/forum.

    Thanks


    OML - Open Media Library - Product Manager
  •  05-05-2008, 10:11 AM 260781 in reply to 260714

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    OxfordRob:

    I have the movie collectorz app and have made a valid XML into the correct Public folder however everytime I try to run the app from WMC it fails to run. There seems to be no debug, logs or events as to why it won't work.

    We do have a functional plugin for movie collectorz but it is not currently "hooked" into the app yet.  It will likely get plugged into the db editor app (for the first release anyway).

    OxfordRob:

    Do I need to have an Xbox extender for it to work?

     

    No, you don't need an extender.  No msi is currently available, you can buit it yourself from source at the moment (and use the build.bat file in the Library/Setup dir to create the msi).  This works fine and will install the app but the database will be empty and leave you with no ability to add titles to it (the editor isn't complete yet).


    OpenMediaLibrary - Senior Programmer
  •  05-06-2008, 7:49 AM 260984 in reply to 260781

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    could someone compile and host this?
  •  05-07-2008, 1:33 AM 261160 in reply to 260984

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    VMCNoob:
    could someone compile and host this?

    That won't do you much good - It's still very much work in progress :)

  •  05-10-2008, 8:24 AM 261830 in reply to 261160

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    Question to the community:

    I'm reviewing my sample xml export from DVD Profiler and wondering how to handle media from it.  This is a catalog application and holds no information on the location of the actual media.  So, I we import DVD Profiler information into OML and then a user is browsing their movies and selects one imported from this app to watch, how would we handle this?

     

    Thoughts, comments, suggestions?

     

    Btw, current status:  We now have a working importer, written as a plugin (the SDK will be made available).  The UI is being finished up and will likely take a few more weeks, after that we should be able to release a 0.1 version.


    OpenMediaLibrary - Senior Programmer
  •  05-10-2008, 8:36 AM 261832 in reply to 261830

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    translucent:

    Question to the community:

    I'm reviewing my sample xml export from DVD Profiler and wondering how to handle media from it.  This is a catalog application and holds no information on the location of the actual media.  So, I we import DVD Profiler information into OML and then a user is browsing their movies and selects one imported from this app to watch, how would we handle this?

    Thoughts, comments, suggestions?

    In the past I have seen the "notes" field in DVD profiler being used for HDD location info.

    For those of us with DVD changers we are using the "location" and "slot" fields to get to our DVD's in the changer. It sure would be nice if OML was able to get to the offline media within my changer too.
  •  05-10-2008, 10:45 AM 261849 in reply to 261830

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    translucent:

    I'm reviewing my sample xml export from DVD Profiler and wondering how to handle media from it.  This is a catalog application and holds no information on the location of the actual media.  So, I we import DVD Profiler information into OML and then a user is browsing their movies and selects one imported from this app to watch, how would we handle this?

     

    There is a field in the Personal Information tab that denotes a location....that could be used.  Would take a little time to input them all, but totally worth it I think to gain this functionality. 


    Thanks!
    -
    <Discs>
    - <Disc>
      <DescriptionSideA>Main Feature</DescriptionSideA>
      <DescriptionSideB />
      <DiscIDSideA>1B1BC33F916B35D0</DiscIDSideA>
      <DiscIDSideB />
      <LabelSideA>45</LabelSideA>
      <LabelSideB />
      <DualLayeredSideA>False</DualLayeredSideA>
      <DualLayeredSideB>False</DualLayeredSideB>
      <DualSided>False</DualSided>
      <Location>c:\dvds\45\</Location>
      <Slot />
      </Disc>
      </Discs>

  •  05-10-2008, 11:53 AM 261856 in reply to 261849

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    Ok both of these are great ideas.  Here is one I have been playing around with in my head.

    We could ask the disc to be inserted, verify the discid and play it ifs correct (or maybe just play anyway? in case its a "copy").  We can do "location" if that is set but we'd have to agree on which tag it was in. 

    I don't have a dvd changer, are they fast? slow? would it be unreasonable to scan each disc in the changer for the correct discid to play?

    OpenMediaLibrary - Senior Programmer
  •  05-10-2008, 1:23 PM 261869 in reply to 261856

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    translucent:

    I don't have a dvd changer, are they fast? slow? would it be unreasonable to scan each disc in the changer for the correct discid to play?


    My suggestion regarding dvd-changers would be, to implement a "menu function" to scan the contents of the changer, and offer the option to do this when installing (if there's an option to "scan" for such hardware...

    I'm a little rusty in programming lately, so I can't really help here...

    Option 2: scan the contents of the dvd changer (disc id and such) when "'adding" the dvd to the database?
  •  05-10-2008, 1:27 PM 261870 in reply to 261856

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    translucent:
    Ok both of these are great ideas.  Here is one I have been playing around with in my head.

    We could ask the disc to be inserted, verify the discid and play it ifs correct (or maybe just play anyway? in case its a "copy").  We can do "location" if that is set but we'd have to agree on which tag it was in. 

    I don't have a dvd changer, are they fast? slow? would it be unreasonable to scan each disc in the changer for the correct discid to play?


    They only problem is inserting 1000+ plus discs to scan...gets really time consuming.  It makes sense to use the "location" field in the disc section in case there are multiple disc sets (and tv seasons) to be able to link to multiple discs.  Most (95%) of my collection does include proper disc id's as downloaded in dvdprofiler and are also available on dvdxml.com
     

  •  05-10-2008, 2:35 PM 261878 in reply to 261856

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    translucent:
    I don't have a dvd changer, are they fast? slow? would it be unreasonable to scan each disc in the changer for the correct discid to play?

    Yes, I think the discid scan solution would be awesome but not if all the DVD's needed to be scanned first, that would take forever in my Sony DVP-CX777ES 400 DiscChanger??? Currently I use My Movies to control it via the RS-232 port. The other thought is what about the folks with IR controlled MegaChangers???
  •  05-12-2008, 6:34 PM 262310 in reply to 261878

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    I'm curious as how MyMovies scans the Sony FireWire Changer, it seemed slower to me than the VMC DVD Gallery.  But that was a few updates ago with MyMovies.  I think reading each slot would be way to slow, especially with people with 3-5 Changers.  I would suggest some sort of cache like the default one in VMC.

    Dwight2001


    Dwight 2001

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    It's all good
  •  05-15-2008, 11:03 AM 262947 in reply to 262310

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    Ah, ok been a lot of work on this lately so I wanted to give an update.

    We (taranu and myself) have been working daily getting features and functionality up to snuff.  We are now starting to have a functional plugin that does some of what we want.

    Recent cool features:

    x86 and x64 are unified and both are working correctly

    iso/disc image support is currently functional with daemontools installed.  What this means is that if you have a movie in the database that contains an image file of some kind (iso, img, bin, cue, etc).  We assume it's a dvd.  If you trying to "play" it then we auto-mount the image and redirect media center to play the dvd in that "drive".  Auto-unmounting is also performed when trying to play another image file so you don't have to worry that and old image is still loaded.

    UI redesign:  taranu has been doing some great refactoring of the UI as well as adding in some nice framework that will allow some great features in the future.  (it might not look much different but it really is in the backend).

    Installer:  This has been built to the point that we can create a generic installer, using it the application (on x86 and x64) works as expected.

    Importers:  We currently have been using a cmdline app that I wrote to import mymovies exported xml file(s).  This seems to work well for me personally and all the movies (no matter their format, type,etc) play without issue on the latest source revision.  We are still discussing how exactly to handle dvd profiler, movie collectorz, movie label 2k9, etc since these apps don't direclty maintain information on the location of the media.

    Speed:  We did have some great speed tests (20 secs to load 8000+ titles) but that has dropped off some, I'm going to start looking at ways to resolve that issue.  I'm not saying its slow, just that its not as fast as it was a few revisions ago :)

    We're currently working to shore things up for an initial release that will be useful to others.  We are also currently working on wpl support.  This needs a bit of explaining:

     

    WPL support:  So the problem statement is:  I have a film that is in a number of files (say file1 and file2?).  I put them in the same directory and I want to treat them as a single movie (when played in the correct order).  I also want them to be played back to back without my directing media center to do so.  So if I start playing the "movie" I want it to automatically start playing file2 once file1 is complete.

    This is where wpl files come into play in OML.  Our current plan is when importing "movies" into OML, if we find multiple supported video files in a given directory we assume they are parts of the same film, we then create a wpl file containing all the video files sorted by alpha.  We then treat this wpl file as the file to "play".  These can naturally be edited by the user if we make a mistake (they are just xml files).

    Extenders:  I'm still struggling with including/using an assembly file that may or may not be available on the current system.  Once I get that sorted out then all the current features that exist will also become available on extenders.

    DVD Changers:  I don't have one so it's going to be kind of hard to test/develop against.  I'll check if anyone else on the team has one (it hasn't been high on our list yet).

    So, I have put up a wiki page about features at http://code.google.com/p/open-media-library/wiki/Features  This is NOT a complete list, it is simply something I put up about what is currently being worked on and what is now complete.  This list will grow as we move email threads, forums threads, etc to the list of official requests.

     

    I know that I said we were having a meeting and would have some more info shortly after that.  All I can say is that I'm sorry.  We have had a number of people readily offer to work on the project only to fail to actually do any work.  I can say that taranu and myself are both working many hours per week (likely 10+) and now that I have someone else working with me things are moving along at a very good pace.  I'm not going to give a timeline but I can say that if you wanted to grab the source, compile it yourself and install it then I'm sure it would not be a horrible exp. for you.  More as it comes, again please feel free to comment, request, complain, etc. here or over at our forums

     

    --Translucent


    OpenMediaLibrary - Senior Programmer
  •  05-15-2008, 11:13 AM 262948 in reply to 262947

    Re: Open Media Library - souce posted

    l I can say for now, is that u guys are doing some great work, that's really appreciated by me, and I think many others too !
    Is the 'UI" still looking like the previews on page 1? (haven't compiled the app yet)
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