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TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

Last post 11-01-2008, 5:14 PM by Octavean. 10 replies.
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  •  09-29-2008, 8:51 PM 298168

    TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    So TiVo is releasing an application, in partnership with Nero, to give you the TiVo experience on your PC. Information here: http://www.tivoblog.com/archives/2008/09/29/announcing-nero-liquidtv-tivo-on-your-pc/

    and here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10053173-1.html

    So I hope this will work with the HDPVR. I could see removing recorded tv from VMC using menumender, using a harmony remote to control TiVo interface, and possibly adding a TiVo icon in VMC interface. With any luck this may give us HD junkies what we want, and we won't have to wait for Windows 7.

     


    Doug Vanden Berg www.vandenbergstereo.com
  •  09-29-2008, 9:01 PM 298172 in reply to 298168

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    I'd be willing to pay the $99/year just to record clear Qam HD in Canada using my PVR-1800 cards.  I guess the application would need a channel guide.  I don't even care if I had to exit VMC to schedule shows, as long as I could watch what I record on my VMC and extenders in HD. 
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  •  09-29-2008, 9:08 PM 298174 in reply to 298172

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    Yup, I hear ya. I would pay $199 for Microsoft to add h.264 so I could use my HDPVR. The thought of upgrading all 4 of my PC's to windows 7 makes me cringe, HDTV functionality is the reason I bought 4 copies of vista..... sigh....
    Doug Vanden Berg www.vandenbergstereo.com
  •  10-01-2008, 9:06 AM 298594 in reply to 298174

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    Yeah, they have a page for it here:

    http://www.nero.com/enu/liquidtv-introduction.html

    I’m not sure I’m willing to make the change but they do have my interest. I’m not paying for guide listings or anything like that though so if that’s their business model they can stick it. DRM restrictions probably apply though so it may be an “out of the frying pan into the fire type deal”. I’ll try to keep an open mind though ;)

    douglasvb:
    Yup, I hear ya. I would pay $199 for Microsoft to add h.264 so I could use my HDPVR. The thought of upgrading all 4 of my PC's to windows 7 makes me cringe, HDTV functionality is the reason I bought 4 copies of vista..... sigh....

    Actually, there has been some reliable indications that H.264 Stream support is present and functional within the Vista 2008 TV Pack. Apparently all that is needed is a compatible H.264 decoder configured as the default decoder.

    Therefore, the problem with the Hauppauge HD PVR and Vista Media Center at this point would seem to be Hauppauge releasing drivers that would work in Vista Media Center + TV Pack. I e-mailed Hauppauge tech support and received this reply:

    Right now our hd pvr unit is not compatible with the media center tv pack . I don’t know if we are going to an update on this. But as far as the surround sound we will probably be releasing the driver by next week if testing goes well.

    Technical Support

    Hauppauge Headquarters

    www.hauppauge.com

    I take this to mean that current drivers are not compatable with the TV Pack and that they are aware of the H.264 Stream support within the TV Pack (otherwise known as untapped potential).

    There are currently beta 5.1 drivers floating around for the Hauppauge HD PVR but it took far to long IMO just to get this far. If we want Vista support we are either going to have to pointedly and aggressively request it from Hauppauge or someone is going to have to write their own drivers.

     

     

     


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  •  10-01-2008, 10:25 AM 298613 in reply to 298594

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    Well I am definatley a TiVo fan and long time user. I would love to be able to use this with my VMC and cablecard tuners. I would buy another lifetime subscription without question.

      Lon

  •  10-01-2008, 10:51 AM 298620 in reply to 298613

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    Includes a 12-month subscription to the TiVo® service

    Well the 12 month grace period is good but the subscription model is a bit difficult to swallow IMO. You can chalk that up to my lack of understanding of what that subscription actually buys you.

    Since I have a BeyondTV license I can upgrade to the latest version, which supports the HD PVR BTW, for~$49.99 and no monthly fees. So I would consider BeyondTV, which I like, the most cost effective MCE / VMC alternative for me.

    Don’t get me wrong though, I’m really glad there is some more competition in this market.

     

     


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  •  10-02-2008, 6:24 PM 299073 in reply to 298594

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    Octavean:

    Actually, there has been some reliable indications that H.264 Stream support is present and functional within the Vista 2008 TV Pack. Apparently all that is needed is a compatible H.264 decoder configured as the default decoder.

    Therefore, the problem with the Hauppauge HD PVR and Vista Media Center at this point would seem to be Hauppauge releasing drivers that would work in Vista Media Center + TV Pack. I e-mailed Hauppauge tech support and received this reply:

    The only problem with TV pack, is that it breaks everything else I love about media center. ie: burning TV to DVD, Sync with my gigabeat s60, edit tv shows in movie maker, orb, and the list goes on. I'm really hoping for a solution in Vista for HDTV recording from a STB without the TV Pack. Not to mention, If Hauppage came out with drivers that require TV Pack, Microsoft would have to make TV Pack Available to consumers.


    Doug Vanden Berg www.vandenbergstereo.com
  •  10-14-2008, 11:12 AM 301819 in reply to 298172

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    $99 for software and then $99 a year is over the top..  mce2005 does most of what it can do and some thing it can not..  also they free media center software out they.. I used tivo 1 but stop using it as I was not using a it a lot and £120 a year was a lot to pay for a dvr with out 40 channels..
  •  10-15-2008, 10:43 AM 302131 in reply to 298620

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    Octavean:

    Well the 12 month grace period is good but the subscription model is a bit difficult to swallow IMO. You can chalk that up to my lack of understanding of what that subscription actually buys you.

     

    Doesn’t BeyondTV have a passable TiVo skin with mimicking functionality?

    In either case, ~$199.99 for the retail version (12 Month Subscription, TV Tuner Card with A/V Cable and Antenna TiVo PC Remote Control IR Blaster and Receiver) and ~$99.99 for the download version seems a bit steep to say nothing of the annual fee of what,….~$99.99. If they are selling a service then the software really should be free IMO but if they are indeed selling a service I’m not really clear on what that service entails exactly.

    Could someone please explain what it is you get for ~$99.99 a year and how it outperforms Vista Media Center as well as other programs?

    I’m not trying to be a wise guy I’m just trying to understand.


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  •  10-15-2008, 4:02 PM 302220 in reply to 302131

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    Octavean:

    Could someone please explain what it is you get for ~$99.99 a year and how it outperforms Vista Media Center as well as other programs?

    I’m not trying to be a wise guy I’m just trying to understand.

    I dont pay the 99.00 a year, but I did pay for a lifetime subscription. It is most certainly worth it for me. We watch a lot of TV (like most everyone on this forum) and TiVo just makes it better. How, you say? Well for one, TiVo has this uncanny ability to always stop at just the right spot when you are fastforwarding, it just doesnt miss. Another thing I find invaluable is how TiVo can learn your viewing habits and automatically record shows that it thinks you will like. It only does this if there is a tuner available, and it would never premept a normally scheduled show. When I first got Tivo I didnt think that feature would be very usefull, however it has proven itself to me on many occasions by picking up on a show that I did not have selected to record, and I did infact watch/like its suggestion.

     Just for example, lets say you watch a lot of  Supercross motorcycle racing. Tivo might at first suggest/record Motorcycle Road Racing as well as MotoCross Racing. You let Tivo Know that you dont like Road Racing (by pressing a "thumbs down") and it wont record anymore road racing on its own. However if you liked the motocross and you gave that show a "thumbs up", Tivo now know that you seem to like offroad motorcycle racing, so it looks for other shows that may be similar in some way. So lets say you have now set a Season Pass to record the Supercross races, and since you watched and liked the motocross racing you made a Season Pass to that as well. If this was done with a standard DVR or even a VMC , you will only get those specific shows  on those specific channels you set.  But TiVo has learned a little about you and it sees that at 2:30 AM a completley different channel is broadcasting the Motocross Des Nations from Brazil, it will record this show for you, which makes you quite happy since you would have missed it otherwise.

       I know that is a longwinded explanation, and it only covers 2 aspects of a TiVo, but they are 2 of my favorite things that make my 300.00 lifetime sub worthwhile. Couple that with a stable platform that just seems to work, heck maybe I will send them a little extra money <G> J/K

        Dont get me wrong though, I know have a VMC too, and I am liking it fine. It can even do something that a TV cant, and that is be a whole house solution. That is what my VMC is doing and it is doing it pretty well. If I were a Microsoft Project lead I would see this a Microsofts biggest attribute for Media Center.

    alas, I digress...

    Lon

  •  11-01-2008, 5:14 PM 306694 in reply to 302131

    Re: TiVo for your PC! Media Center Replacement?

    Nero LiquidTV is here ya'll with a 30 day free trial if you care to kick it around a bit:

    http://www.nero.com/enu/support-liquidtv.html


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