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Two-Way CableCARD Appears in Windows 7

I’ve long talked about the addition of two-way CableCARD within Media Center, but so far no real timeline has been drawn.  Microsoft has kept their lips locked as has CableLabs about actually finishing (or announcing) the specs for the two-way tuners (called BOCRs).  All of this leaves us to fill in the blanks ourselves.

Frankly, I don’t see full two-way CableCARD tuner support until Windows 7.  There are several reasoning’s behind this, but the first being CableLabs timeline for the actual specs.  At this point CableLabs has been focusing on the M-Card extension to OCURs.  I never got around to doing a good post on MOCURs, but the basic idea is that CableLabs approved an extension to the OCUR specs which allows OEMs to make OCURS that support M-Cards in M-Mode.  This means your single MOCUR is really two tuners when paired with an M-Card.  Currently, OCURs with an M-Card revert to S-Mode which means you only get a single stream (one channel per tuner).  I’m not exactly sure why they have chosen to do this and yet again have CableCARD fall behind what the market needs, but a little late to change that.

Outside of the BOCR specs you have the next issue being Media Center release schedules.  As Microsoft currently has one that should be getting ready to start any day now, you can bet that BOCR support is not a part of it.  So that would set the stage for support in the following Media Center release.  As Windows 7 is predicted to be released in 2009/2010 I’m betting it will be the follow-up for Media Center as well.

So it looks like our two-way CableCARD dreams are going to have to wait.  Here’s to hoping your cable company doesn’t deploy SDV, and if they do here’s to hoping the TiVo Tuning Resolver will actually be made to work with OCURs (don’t hold your breath though).

Cross Posted from Chris Lanier's Blog at http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/
Published Friday, February 29, 2008 3:08 PM by Chris - Moderator
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PLUCKYHD said:

Chris,
Seeing how you say the specs for m-card are released do you think we will see m-cards tuners soon? It would be nice to only have two tuners and four feeds :)
February 29, 2008 3:10 PM
 

Chris - Moderator said:

I have no idea what the timetable is for MOCURs, but I can assure you they will come before BOCRs.  There are actually several factors, the main being when OEMs get them done in relation to when CableLabs has set testing dates.  They have to be certified by CableLabs, and then the company can really start manufacturing them without worries.  I'm expecting to see them this year.
February 29, 2008 6:52 PM
 

Zarb said:

I am guessing that I am just over analyzing the semantics, but the specific language used on Centon's web site seem to indicate that their tuners will work with any version of Vista.  Specfically stating "Interfaces with ANY Microsoft Vista PC with Media Center".  Capital "ANY" being my emphasis.  Additionally the Details for there other Products CTN-91XX M-Card Processor" state that they are supported with both Windows and Linux Drivers as well as various DRM systems.  Is it possible that there hardware will go a step further into the data path than the ATI hardware such that a Digital Cable Specific BIOS would not be neccessary?
March 1, 2008 7:09 PM
 

Chris - Moderator said:

I wish I was over analyzing the semantics, but sadly their wording is just plain wrong.  Ceton doesn't get to say what systems it will work with, they can only make tuners to the specs and rules given by CableLabs.  CableLabs requires a PC with the OCUR BIOS and a separate OCUR PID.  This isn't likely to change, and Ceton tuners will play by the same rules.

You really can't pull a fast one on CableLabs.  Any company making CableCARD products has to spend a ton of money for CableLabs to certify their hardware, trying to turn around and sell it against the multiple legal documents you just signed after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars for them to certify hardware that you have a ton of more money and R&D into doesn't make much sense.

As for the M-Card Processor you have to remember that 95% of devices with CableCARD (TVs, TiVo, etc) all run embedded Linux.  To not have Linux driver support in a general processor like that is pretty dumb.  :)  That processor should be able to be used in host devices other than MOCUR/BOCRs (which are Windows only because the only CableLabs approved HMS is Vista Media Center).
March 1, 2008 7:24 PM
 

Zarb said:

My orig thought was that it might have been possible that the CableLab requirements allowed them to handle that portion of the security within the tuner hardware.  Which, if it were the case, could also have allowed the tuner to be moved to a replacement computer in the event of a harware failure or future upgrade while still tying the accesibility of the recordings to the existance of the original host.  Which under that scenario would be the tuner not the Motherboard.  If it were allowed in the specs it would have been better that the current state with the only downside being that any recordings would then be lost if the tuner were to fail.  But I now understand the specs do not allow for such a process flow.
March 1, 2008 9:47 PM
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