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More Thoughts on Native Blu-ray/HD DVD

Ben at Engadget HD picked up my post about the lack of native HD DVD/Blu-ray in Media Center today.  I’ve been reading some of the comments the post is getting and wanted to add a few thoughts.

First, I’m talking about native support.  This means that it works without launching an external application, just like playing a DVD or any other video within Media Center.  PowerDVD and ArcSoft TotalMedia currently launch external applications for playback, so you don’t have native support for either HD DVD or Blu-ray at this point.  Media Foundation would be used to do this, much like DirectShow has been used for native DVD playback in Media Center since the start.

Microsoft had planned for native HD DVD support in Windows Vista, but they dropped that and left it to third parties.  It was my guess that native HD DVD support would finally ship in Fiji, but given the downfall of HD DVD since you can see why I’d question that.  Even if native HD DVD playback shipped in Fiji, it could very well be pointless if HD DVD continues its demise.

For native Blu-ray playback within Media Center, a Java based interactivity layer (called BD-J) would have to be added.  Microsoft hates Java with a passion as many of us know, so it is unlikely that they would spend time developing native Blu-ray playback when Java is a requirement.  I’m not saying it can’t be done from a technical standpoint.  Instead, I’m saying that it is unlikely that Microsoft will be the one to do it.

There is also additional DRM that would need to be present in BD+.  HD DVD only needs AACS, which can technically be supported using Protected Media Path (PMP) that is already present in Vista.  Yet another thing Microsoft would have to add that they didn’t plan for and that they don't agree with in the first place.

Lastly, I think Microsoft had put a ton of thought into HD DVD remoting to Extenders.  HD DVD uses HDi (iHD) for interactivity, which Microsoft co-developed with things like Extenders in mind.  With Blu-ray you would need Java running remotely in an Extender session is much different from HDi which they had already planned for.

When Microsoft decided to support HD DVD, they did so because of what it offers the consumer as well as their existing technologies.  The industry move to Blu-ray changes all of that.

I think we will be more dependent of third parties doing the work, and even then I’m not sure they could get native Blu-ray within Media Center because of BD+ and BD-J.  PMP doesn't do BD+, this is key as PMP basically has to be used to provide native playback.  There is much more to native playback support then being able to decode certain video codecs, the content protection and interactvity aspects are huge with both of these formats.

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Cross Posted from Chris Lanier's Blog at http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/
Published Friday, January 25, 2008 1:33 PM by Chris - Moderator
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PLUCKYHD said:

If they put a ton of thought in to HD-DVD remoting to extenders I wish they would have used some of that thought process for normal DVD to extenders :)
January 25, 2008 11:45 AM
 

Chris - Moderator said:

I wish they would too, but the difference comes with HD DVD having Managed Copy (well kind of, AACS LA has yet to actually finish the license).
January 25, 2008 11:56 AM
 

erwos said:

I agree that the current high-def disc situation is going to be a big, tough issue for Microsoft to deal with. I hate to say it, but if they really care about the Media Center crowd, they're going to need to suck it up and start supporting BR-D - including BD+ and BD-J. "I don't want to" is not really a valid excuse in my eyes.
January 25, 2008 12:57 PM
 

Pixelz said:

Going forward, native support for next-gen DVD (whoever wins) will be a key requirement.  Today everyone expects native standard-def DVD support in a media center system.  As soon as the net-gen format war is finished, consumers will expect native support for that too.

I would tolerate paying a licence fee for an H.264 decoder, but I would not tolerate having to close media center and launch a 3rd party app whenever I want to watch a movie.

I realise it would be easier for VMC to implement HD-DVD than Blu-Ray.  I'd be disappointed if it's still missing in Fiji.  But if HD-DVD does not prevail, surely everyone has to implement Blu-Ray to stay in the media center market.

I really hope Microsoft are listening, as this is a show stopper for me personally.
January 26, 2008 3:20 AM
 

Vladimir Uschintsky said:

If I could get NATIVE Blu-Ray support in VMC I'd be out buying a drive and a reasonably priced software plug-in (say $100 like PowerDVD)  to make it happen.  I DON"T WANT some kludge Rube Goldberg contraption - I'm talking about native support just like regular SD DVD.  But how long have we had the QAM carrot dangled in front of our faces only to have this deplorable situation with only OEMs being able to buy/use cable card tuners or the still awkward (and un-blessed by MS) work-around that HD Homerun is currently delivering?  Let's face it:  We've been left out in the rain by MS once again on the next-gen optical disk formats and digital cable both.  And look at how MS had to downsize the dream in many other areas just to get Vista out the door.  Here's a radical idea:  What if MS put as much effort into making features work as they do into making things NOT work (checking for driver validity every thirtieth of a second to make sure the video driver isn't making protected content available to unapproved devices, making sure that you can't buy/use cable card tuners unless "dude you got a Dell", etc.)?  They worked really hard to make sure that Vista WOULDN'T do certain things - how about putting a little effort into making sure that it WILL do things that us poor schmucks that laid out major $$$ for would appreciate.  Suck it up, make peace with Sun, and realize that Java isn't going away.
January 28, 2008 4:26 PM
 

Jeff Reynolds said:

Couldn't agree more.  There's so much these days MS fails to complete, and Media Center in Vista is a prime example.  Alienating the very people who build machines (and evangelize their solutions) from consuming some of the cool features Media Center offers (DCT, for example) is just the lowest of the low.  Why the heck should I buy an over-priced Dell, HP, or (heaven's forbid) Niveus system just to get digital cable (that I paid for) onto my PC?  DRM not enough for you?

The same goes for bloo-ray/HD-DVD.  The expectation from us customers is it just works and has a seamless experience with what we've come to love from Media Center.  MS really needs to get their head on straight again and finish the scenarios they started before shipping.  Don't have enough resources?  Hire some and get the job done.

FWIW:  I too would be heading down the street to my local shop to pick up a LG combo drive to plug into my existing, high-performing machine.  I'd do the same if DCTs were available/usable, then I'd be an even happier COMCAST customer.  Funny that...
January 30, 2008 5:05 PM
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