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My Thoughts on Apple TV

I’ve already said that Apple TV Sucks and I stand by that.  This is not the product that I was expecting Apple to put out.  This is the first time I’ve really covered an Apple made product here.  I’ve owned an iPod in the past (2G), but had problems with the battery and exchanged it for a iRiver H120.  Never looked back, but the iPod is still at the top of the list for digital audio palyers and I think everyone knows why.  Apple has great marketing, they make great products, they have die hard followers, and most of all their products just work.  I’m not one to trash Apple on most things, the things I do trash them on (such as not licensing FairPlay) are even stupidly followed by other companies, most recently Microsoft with the Zune (and how much do I talk about Zune?)  Getting back to Apple TV, this product is trash.

The 720p Experience
Most of the comments that I’m reading about Apple TV have to do with 720p.  Why 720p when everyone else is going for 1080p?  I’m not sure most people understand this issue, and most just see the smaller number and go off about it.

When talking about HDTV one of the most argued things is that 720p can rival 1080i/p.  If 720p is done good, this is very true.  I’m sure that there are several reasons that Apple went with 720p, and it should be noting that 720p is the maximum Apple TV can decode H.264 at.  Apple TV can output at 1080i without any problems via Component and HDMI.  There are a lot of people out there reading 720p as the maximum output resolution which isn’t true.

The most interesting thing I have seen here is the amount of people saying 720p is all you need, and that the lack of 1080p support is fine by them.  That’s odd, because with both the Xbox 360 and PS3 this was all anyone cared about.  Just sayin it’s strange, that’s all.

H.264 at 720p can deliver great video quality, but it all depends on the bitrate chosen by Apple.  One thing I was disappointed to see is that it only supports Main Profile and not High Profile.  High Profile would have given a nice boost when and if Apple starts encoding iTunes Store content at higher resolutions.

iTunes Store or Bust and Lack of PVR Support
It seems to me that Apple TV was really made for those who purchase content from the iTunes Store.  If you don’t, then Apple TV provides no additional features from the large number of devices that have been out for years.

I’ve seen lots of comments from people who do purchase from the iTunes Store, attempting to compare it to a PVR.  This is exactly what Apple would like.  I can understand the benefit of the iTunes Store if you are a very casual TV watcher, but if you really watch and keep up with an entire series, it’s cheaper in most cases to pay for either Cable or Satellite.  In fact, I would bet that the majority of people purchasing TV shows from the iTunes Store are already paying for either Cable or Satellite.

Since TV shows from iTunes don’t have commercials this has also been a point that has been brought up.  I guess if you are really looking for content without commercials, iTunes is the best option.  However, I don’t see a problem pressing fast forward four times to get through them.  Or, if you are using a PC PVR there are several applications to remove commercials automatically or even record without commercials.  For use Media Center users, DVRMSToolbox does a great job of this.  Best thing about it, no user interaction needed.

I just can’t bring myself to buy from the iTunes Store.

Limited Expandability
There are several devices that have been out for years that have a USB port on the back, v1 Extenders come to mind again.  Just as those were never used for anything it doesn’t look like Apple TV users will get anything out of it either.  Ars Technica reports that the USB ports are basically useless, used only for “service reasons.”  That means no external PVR (on the Apple TV end at least) and that means no additional external storage.

Oh, It Will Be Better In v2
No matter whose products you support, this is kind of a common thing.  Where I see this being different is along the lines of the 1080p question above, instead of seeing people attack it as much, they just shrug it off and say it will get better with v2.  I wonder what the comments would have been if Microsoft was the one to release Apple TV?  Wait, they already did in the form of Media Center Extenders.  Too limited, not cheap enough for what you get, etc.  v1 Extenders where just this, v1.5 (Xbox 360) got a better but it’s yet to be perfect.  If companies will get around to releasing v2 Extenders, we get to see if we are going to get “it will get there next version” or if we will finally see extended file format support (which is really the only problem, other than HDMI which we know will be there).

Apple TV vs. Xbox 360
You can purchase an Xbox 360 Core for the same price as Apple TV ($299).  That doesn’t include a hard drive; however you can use it to connect to both Windows XP Media Center Edition and Windows Vista.  Using the Media Center Extender functions, you get access to all of your music, videos, and photos.  While you can’t playback anything purchased from the iTunes Store, you do get extended file format support (mainly MPEG-2) and the added ability to have PVR support (OTA HD, Analog, CableCARD w/ new Vista PC) and even a DVD Jukebox. 

If you don’t have Media Center, you can still access the media on your machine using Windows Media Connect.

For $100 more, you can get the Xbox 360 Premium ($399) and access the Xbox Live! Marketplace which is providing HD Downloads already in addition to access Media Center and/or Windows Media Connect.  The hard drive is half the size (20GB) so it doesn’t work the exact same.  You are still lock into a single download service using this method, but again using Media Center you can have access to several others including Movielink and Cinemanow.

Bottom Line
Other than Apple TV connecting to a Mac and supporting content from the iTunes Store, I see no reason to consider it as an option with so many other media devices out there.  For hardcore Apple fans, it’s a must purchase just for the hell of it.  For anyone who has purchased it, I would be interested in your thoughts once you get it in your hands.

Published Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:40 AM by Chris - Moderator

Comments

 

Howard_Scott said:

Hi Chris.  I think you're not doing it justice to be honest.  The big thing you fail to address is that people have already proven that if you hack the box it can do a whole lot more than it already is doing, and it's already outputting at 1080, just not playing the movies at that resolution.

Apple can, and I hope will, fix this easily by updating the software on the box (which is basically OSX) over the net and adding the functionality it.  Who knows if they really will, but with all the attention that it's getting in the community right now who knows.

It's not a replacement for MCE (yet!) and that's why I'm running it in parallel to my PC, which I use as a PVR etc., but it does 90% of the stuff you use on a daily basis and it does it very well.

As for the USB Port?  If the patent from apple that was reported on ARS Technica is anything to go by, then a modular media centre with a lightweight box as the "hub" then we've got a lot to look forward to.  External HD-DVD?  External storage?
April 30, 2007 9:57 AM
 

Musictype said:

Chris, I am just sending back an XBOX Elite (thanks for your help answering my questions about it.)

From what a learned while researching extenders over the last few days, the Apple TV may actually make a much better extender for many, than the XBOX 360.

Apple TV can be easily hacked to stream a variety of formats, such as DIVX, Real, etc.. With the XBOX 360 you are stuck with the couple of formats used by MS (and much less commonly used than DIVX, Real, or H.264.) (See the plugins offered at awkwardtv.org, as well as the forums there.) There a few version around, but this one has ported MPlayer, so you can watch whatever MPlayer supports: http://www.appletvhacks.net/2007/09/04/nitotv-one-plugin-to-rule-them-all/

In addition, Apple TV has built-in N Wireless, which is actually useful for streaming video, while even the Elite offers only G Wireless as a $99 option (and G is not really good enough for streaming video.)

Apple TV also has HDMI. It's looks are also much better suited for the living room. And it is much smaller, runs cooler and it costs half of what an XBOX 360 and a wireless adapter cost.

As to 720p vs. 1080p, yes, it matters, but only if your screen size/viewing distance ratio allows you to see it. If you have a 50" monitor and you sit 11' or more from it, you will not be able to tell the difference (and that's if your vision is 20/20.) Many get way to worked up about resolution, yet watch a 30" LCD from 10', and without their glasses:-)))

I do know that the XBOX 360 does some things better (like games and getting stuff recorded with VMC,) but it fails at too much as an extender, at things that really do matter to many.

So, depending on your needs, it may be time to revisit Apple TV as an extender.

Cheers and thanks for helping and keeping us informed.
September 5, 2007 2:17 PM
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