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The Story of CableLabs Certification

If you listen to this weeks Media Center Show you heard Kevin Shields explain how the “certification” process will kind-of work.  Here’s a quick summary of both what Kevin said on the show and what I have learned over the past few weeks from my sources.

 

As Kevin said for OEM’s to ship a PC with CableCARD support they will need to be actual OEM Partners with Microsoft.  You can tell if a PC manufacturer is an OEM Partner most of the time if the see the OEM Logo on their website.  For example, Niveus Media has the “Microsoft Platinum OEM” logo their website so they can offer PC’s with CableCARD which they have already announced.  System Builders need not apply, so if you are like me and have a dummy System Builder account from www.microsoft.com/oem (which are free) you can’t get the needed license to have a PC with working CableCARD.

 

Now, about the certification crap.  Let’s take a quick trip to what got us here, including some quotes from Microsoft Exectuives.

 

When Thomas Hawk had dinner with Jim Allchin, Thomas walked away with this "Although Vista has been approved, OEMs will in fact still need to get their individual machines certified by CableLabs as well.”  Now, those are Thomas words, not Jim’s but it was Allchin who explained the process to Thomas.

 

Next we have what Anand from Anandtech e-mailed me with saying “The OCUR device itself is the only thing that is actually certified by CableLabs.”  Thanks to Anand for this.

 

Lastly we have the Stephen Speicher chat with Joe Belfiore where Joe said “The other part is that the entire system as shipped by the OEM has to be, for the purposes of this discussion, “certified.” The PC vendor has to notify CableLabs of the model of the PC that will be “Digital Cable Ready” and indicate that its entire system from the graphics card to the OCUR will support what is needed for things like the Emergency Broadcast System.”

 

Could just be me, but the two quotes from the Microsoft Executives sure sounded like the “whole PC” would need to be sent to CableLabs and “certified” before it could be sold.  I went over the cost to have a device "cerifited" by CableLabs early this year and of course this added fuel to the fire.

 

Cut to today, and there doesn’t seem to be a certification process for the whole PC though CableLabs!  Only ATI has to get the OCUR itself certified through CableLabs, but don’t get excited about building your own machine yet, it’s still not going to happen.

 

As per above, you still need to be a Microsoft OEM Partner to get “everything” you would need to activate the OCUR for use in Windows Vista.  Buying an OCUR off of eBay isn’t going to cut it people.

 

So, after our year of waiting and some less then great quotes from the people leading the teams there isn’t a PC certification process (Yay!).  However, you still can’t build your own PC with CableCARD support and it’s not likely you will ever be able too.

Published Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:56 AM by Chris - Moderator

Comments

 

JonDeutsch said:

Why are you so sure about "not being able to" ever build our own OCUR Media Centers?   Wouldn't it just take MSFT changing who can get access to the special keys?  Today, it's super-enhanced OEMs.  Why couldn't tomorrow be anyone who can build a PC?
November 16, 2006 8:08 PM
 

Chris - Moderator said:

The reasoning behind who can access what all is needed is likely defined very well in the agreements with CableLabs.  That agreement is set, and it's not going to change, IHMO, why would it?
November 18, 2006 10:38 AM
 

JonDeutsch said:

Well, it would if they weren't moving product like they expected to.  If every OCUR-ready Media Center was $3k and up, it would potentially shut out the masses who are ready to plunk down $1000-$1500 for a media center PC that would manage their digital cable content.

Thoughts?
November 18, 2006 11:15 AM
 

Chris - Moderator said:

Yes, if every CableCARD Ready PC was going out for $3000 (or even $2000) then it will limit the sale, but they (Microsoft) can't change the agreements with CableLabs because there OEM's can't find the right price point.

I wouldn't expect all CableCARD Ready PC's to ship out for $3000.
November 18, 2006 1:05 PM
 

JonDeutsch said:

OK, I think I understand.  So let me throw this out and see if it sticks:

Let's say that Dell is able to sell (eventually) a base-model Vista Media Center mini-tower.  Really basic.  Like $599 - $799.  No great shakes, but it does have that vaunted CableLabs certification and that unique serial # that decodes the secure path.

Now, let's say that I've already built my Vista Media Center DIY-style.   This means, of course, that it's not CableLabs certified, so no OCUR for me in this box.  Which means no digital/HD cable recording.

But... depending on how things work (which I'm frankly not even that sure about), I could do a "mash-up" by either:

- rip out the components that would be required to remain CableLabs certified (i.e., motherboard, video card, CableCard reader) in the Dell and replace my home-built HTPC with these certified components.  Enable the matching key/serial # for OCUR, and then my DIY HTPC becomes CableLabs certified.

- or... it's even simpler, and all I really need to do is to transfer the CableCard reader and serial #and stick them into my DIY HTPC and I'm good to go, and then go sell the rest of that Dell PC on eBay sans CableLabs support.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Jon

November 18, 2006 9:35 PM
 

Chris - Moderator said:

Only the OCUR device is certified by CableLabs (the CableCARD reader).  However, there are bits (AFAIK) both in Windows and even outside of Windows that you need "special" versions of.

The addition of hardware to a PC purcahsed with OCUR shouldn't be that big of a deal.  

However, anything else is really just pointless to do.  Your not going to be able to transfer the OCUR to another machine.  Your not going to be able to "Enable the matching key/serial # for OCUR", again if you could there wouldn't be much reason to buy a PC with OCUR.

Chris
November 19, 2006 8:42 AM
 

JonDeutsch said:

Hi Chris --

You kind of lost me there.  I understand that adding hardware to a certified HTPC shouldn't be a problem.  But what I'm not sure about is, outside of the certified CableCard reader, what else is involved in the certification process ensuring the secured path, or at a minimum ensuring that the PC remains certified enough to consume and replay digital cable content?

Like you said, the CableCard reader clearly needs to be certified, and I can see how the video card being in on the action, and possibly even a special motherboard (though that seems quite unlikely, expensive, and limiting).  

I've heard things about a unique serial # that would be a "key" that would be enabled in Vista to enable the secured path.  Is this true?  Does anyone yet know what exactly is involved in this certification process what what we'd need to understand if we still wanted a DIY-HTPC but also wanted it certified?

For clarity, when I say DIY-HTPC, I don't mean hacking anything or going around official processes -- but to get the certified "guts" from a legit, certified vendor and then using these guts and throwing them into my own HTPC case, and building around custom components around them.

Thanks,
Jon
November 19, 2006 9:00 AM
 

sgtpokey said:

I have the same basic question as Jon (I posted this question on the other blog-site):

ok, just for theory's sake:
So what you need to activate CableCard on Vista MCE are:
1. The OCUR Device
2. The COA key
3. The "special" motherboard with the OCUR bit set
4. Possibly an unlocked version of the Vista MCE OS (although that might be taken care of with point #2)

If I was hell-bent on maintaining my spiffy fanless HTPC case (the mcubed one for those interested), I in theory COULD:

1. Find a MCE PC maker that builds a MCE PC with the motherboard that I want and order this complete "Digital Ready Vista MCE Computer".
2. Transfer the relevant computer innards (sounds like just the motherboard, Hard Drive [for the OS], and OCUR device) to my existing HTPC case and components.  

In theory that would work right?  (Cost and practicality not a factor at the moment, just trying to see if it's possible).  

The main driver for this is I built my current Media Center PC for a reason:  1) Looks, 2) Silence, 3) versatility for my family's particular usage patterns and 4) fits into the overall design of our living space.  

I can't just buy any-old Media PC and plunk it into the living room.  I would much rather use the HTPC chassis and other setup that I already have.  So if it means I can keep my existing chassis and related setup by cannabilizing a real "CableCard-Ready" MCE PC, I'll probably do it...
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